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Social Well-Being in the Legal Profession

New York City Bar Association · Social Well-Being in the Legal Profession

 

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Our episode today features Mindfulness and Well-Being in Law Committee members Robye Margolius (director of wellbeing at Arnold & Porter) and Jordana Confino (founder and CEO of JC Coaching and Consulting). They discuss social wellbeing as a powerful but overlooked dimension of lawyer wellbeing, defined as having meaningful, supportive relationships and a sense of connection and contribution.

Robye and Jordana outline research linking social support to happiness, life satisfaction, reduced depression and anxiety, and improved physical health, and cite workplace findings that belonging boosts performance and retention. The conversation explores barriers in legal culture such as time pressure, transactional interactions, invulnerability norms, autonomy needs, and perfectionism, plus the effects of billable-hour incentives, hybrid work, phones, and AI on connection and mentorship.

Robye and Jordana offer practical individual strategies (micro-connections, recurring touchpoints, presence, boundaries) and organizational actions (leadership modeling, rituals, mentorship, monitoring workload, recognition), and highlight City Bar committees, events, and the Lawyers Assistance Program as connection resources.

 

Want to take a first step to improving your sense of social well-being? Join the Mindfulness and Well-Being in Law Committee on October 1 for a Japanese Tea Gathering.

 

02:02 Defining Connection

04:30 Science of Flourishing

08:45 Why Connection Feels Hard

09:14 Sandcastle Trust Building

14:29 Billable Hour Reality

19:10 Culture and Perfectionism

25:30 Support Changes Perception

28:46 AI and Human Skills

32:47 Practical Connection Habits

35:27 Micro Moments and Weak Ties

38:14 Match Your Social Battery

39:10 Small Discomfort Wins

43:00 Low Hanging Outreach

44:25 Phone Free Presence

51:27 Boundaries and Capacity

54:06 Culture Change Levers

01:02:02 Managers Shape Safety

01:06:09 Bar Associations as Third Places

01:10:43 One Small Action